Keto After 40

Dr. E's Highway to Health Show Episode 57

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Highway to Health Ep 57 - Renee Jones

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Emotional eating is a real problem. Especially nowadays with everything that’s going on around the world. It’s just so easy to fall prey to our instincts and seek comfort foods…
My guest today spent forty years yo-yo dieting before discovering that emotional eating was sabotaging her efforts every time. During our conversation you’ll learn why it became especially hard for her after 40 and how adopting a ketogenic lifestyle has been the solution she had been waiting for.

Original Air Date: April 1, 2020

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Hello and welcome to the highway to health show

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in this episode I am joined by Renee Jones Renee spent 40 years yo-yo dieting before she finally overcame her emotional eating to lose the weight and keep it off for almost a decade now.

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Rain and I recorded this interview last year and I think that this is a perfect time to release it because as the world is shaken by this coronavirus pandemic.

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Many of us are staying at home and resorting to emotional eating and this is not the time to be abusing these Comfort Foods we need now more than ever,

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to be vigilant about the food we put in our bodies and the food-like substances we need to avoid in order to develop a strong and healthy immune system,

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But I don’t want to keep you any longer here’s my conversation with Rainey Jones and remember you are on the highway to health and I’m your guide to get you there.

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Show Intro

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Hello everyone and welcome back to the highway to health show.

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Sitting in front of me right now at least virtually is a lady who’s done something we are all are very familiar with which is Yo-Yo dieting.

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So right here welcome to the highway to health show thank you for having me not a problem what are you sure it with us a little bit about this whole journey that you’ve been on

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well I started my first diet when I was 10 so I spent 40 years on the diet yo-yo and my mother had great intentions she thought if we got it sorted out

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then would be set right unfortunately she wasn’t very good at dieting and neither was I so it was like okay let’s try this one

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okay let’s try this one okay let’s try this one and it just perpetuates itself for 40 years and when I was staring down my 50th birthday in 2012 I thought things change for women,

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after 40 if I don’t get it done now I’m never going to get it done.

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So my New Year’s resolution again always my New Year’s resolution was loose weight and I started out in January and did really well for a couple of weeks and then February I started again and

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March and by April and needed a bigger size.

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And I was mortified because I hadn’t been that sighting years
so I got back on the computer to do some research.

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And I found this piece of advice I thought well that’s stupid and it was only eat.

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When you are hungry if I can do that I wouldn’t even try it now what I sow.

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I looked through some more things and I thought okay it’s the emotional eating that’s my thing.

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So I had to find a way to overcome that and the May to October was.

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An exercise in that and I used a colleague to help me stay accountable and the week before my 50th birthday.

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I got to my goal weight and my seventh to versary is coming up in October wow that’s great.

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Now you mentioned that you started dieting at age 10.

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What made you start dieting where you very overweight or was it just something that they didn’t your family something that I found.

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It’s very common certain families it’s just dieting and everyone is constantly worried about their weight and so they are constantly on a diet was the case or did you have like a real.

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You know need to lose weight well we have to remember that sizes have changed a lot,

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this was the early 70s I think Twiggy had just made me come on the scene but I was 70s fat okay not.

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2010 fat okay right so I was overweight probably 25 30 pounds Maybe.

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I was only 10 so what would that be it was proportional but I was definitely in a bigger size than all the rest of my friends I see.

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So it was okay let’s stop this before it gets started I think my mother thought you know if she does that she’ll hold me accountable okay and unfortunately neither one of us is very good at what was the kids what was the reason for your mom to be dying what she also struggling with weight

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oh yes oh yes and that entire side of the family

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struggled with weight I mean it was the family name was Broadway and I think that probably tells the tale.

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Exactly okay and so you mentioned that you were yo-yo dieting in order to do yo-yo dieting it means that you are actually losing some weight and before you put it back on.

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Right so how much like how big of a yo-yo was this did you ever get to your life.

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Goal weight or were you still far off from it how did that whole thing work why did the two five ten pounds a lot I lost 20 or 30 pounds of couple of times I remember being at this weight,

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twice before once on the way up.

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And once for my wedding and then it just rocketed off I was probably maybe at my worst about 40 pounds overweight okay.

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So it was never huge but again I had been dieting all my life.

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I think sometime in the 80s or 90s we kind of lost our vision of how much we allow.

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Ourselves to get overweight and I think that’s why we have the morbidly obese issue that we currently have because people just decide everybody’s,

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let’s just let it go exactly what good and it is funny that you bring it up because quite a while ago

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when we arrived here in Spain we used to live in California and before that in Cancun were originally from Mexico my wife’s first beIN moved to California for work and then was that finished we decided to spend a couple of months here in Spain right and

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what we got here.

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It was just the beginning of Summer and we’re down south so we’re right by the beach and somebody was mentioning or somebody brought up we went to this restaurant and they had this Photograph there of that exact same Beach back in the 70s.

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You did not see obese or overweight people I mean of course I’m not saying that everyone was ripped and had a six-pack right

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but you did not see overweight people and today and I’m not talking about America because everybody said like yeah sure of America they’re all bees but that’s just an American I don’t know I’m talking here

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in Spain and you go to that same Beach right now and the beginning of Summer and you saw how

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most people have a certain degree of being overweight either overweight or just plain obese.

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So it has changed a lot I think we’ve accepted that weight that creeping weight and nobody really likes it but it is something that has become acceptable right,

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well I think you know as we have tried to become more sensitive and politically correct and all of that sort of thing it has taken some of the stigma,

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away and it’s good to be accepting of people,

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certainly it’s good to be accepting of people but when we allow ourselves to just say okay you have to accept me no matter what I do,

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it tends to take the parameters off,

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and when you know in this country of course there’s a fast food place everywhere and you can’t even go to the hardware store without there being snacks ready for that impulse buy and you know the sodas that are

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leaders yeah we’ve just sort of abandoned our sense of what’s really healthy for us

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yeah absolutely I completely agree with you when you talk about sizes and one of the things that I remember when my wife when she first moved to Mexico because we met many years ago when we were both working abroad and when she first moved to Mexico because Mexico is very Americanized in the end it’s closer to.

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In behaviors and what you see there it’s actually closer to what you would experience in the US and what you experience in Europe obviously you go to restaurant portions are larger and you go to a convenience store and you see all these different

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junk Foods out there large sizes like you very well explained and people by gallons of soda and it’s just regular right

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and she mentioned that and she said wow this is big,

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right and fast forward a couple of years later than we moved to California we spent there about a year and now we moved here to Spain and one of the things that we started noticing like meals are so small here

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no it’s just that we’ve gotten used to get to these gigantic meal so it is something that we need to be aware of I think as a society and another very important point that you made

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is this whole thing of what they call Fat shaming and is not fat shaming because I have to

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pullian absolutely agree with you in terms of you’re not going to not respect someone you’re not going to think less of them you’re not going to do all that but from there

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to celebrating obesity and being overweight by choice.

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Is just tremendously wrong and I think we need to take a stance against that it’s unhealthy you know it’s not going to do your body any good to carry that extra weight because I think it’s something like every pound extra you carry on your body,

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puts like 4 pounds of pressure on your joints,

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that’s a lot yeah and what I tell people all the time is you know what you don’t think it’s a big deal of those five extra pounds and they said well that’s just 5 pounds it’s a great grab a backpack.

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Good five pounds in it and carry it around all day

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mmm exhaust just a few hours later they’re gonna go oh my God this is so heavy like well that’s exactly the exact same thing that you’re doing to your body and then you wonder why your knees hurt what your back hurt while you’re so tired at the end of the day like well you’re caring literally carry.

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All this weight yeah and all the baggage.

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Because with it absolutely now share with us a little bit more about how did you actually discover

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that the problem was emotional eating I’m guessing that throughout all those 40 years you must have tried every diet out there right and every diet actually worked for me while I did it first a bit

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that’s what I was going to say I interviewed a few episodes ago well quite a few episodes ago dr. Livingston and he’s not only a psychologist and he worked with big food

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for a long time so he’s very familiar about how they

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make food hyper palatable so that we buy more and do all these things and he was tremendously overweight and he realized as well that he just couldn’t control himself and in one of the things was exactly that but you’re saying right but

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the thing is we see it so often in every diet seems to work there seems to be people who thrive on it however

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for many of us it simply doesn’t work which means that it’s not necessarily what we’re putting in but how our brain works into deciding

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how we want to consume those fruits is this something kind of like along the lines of your experience or was yours completely different well yes and no.

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I mean yes I figured out that my issue was emotional eating when every time I got upset or frustrated or sad or angry or whatever.

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I would go off my diet I would go crawl in the refrigerator.

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You know or go by and get another scoop of peanut butter or whatever it was the way I soothed myself now.

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For me it was interesting you know I came through the nine days in the whole loaf at era and I actually lost my way.

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By the skin of my teeth on a low-fat low-calorie no flavor

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diet and I was tired hungry and cranky all the time right sure you were and two years later I was still trying to maintain that and it got to be such a struggle and I ran across.

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This metabolic tests that you can take online and I took it and it came back and it said okay you need more fat in your diet that’s like that.

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Classical sound fat but I thought okay if that’s what they say I will follow their diet for a week it can’t hurt me it’s just a week.

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Well I was already at my goal weight of a hundred 19 pounds.

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And I lost two pounds that week eating cheese sauce and butter and bacon is like.

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I don’t know what this is but I’m not tired I’m not hungry and I’m certainly not cranky that started me in a different direction and.

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Even more it kind of leveled out my moves so that I wasn’t as volatile I was born red-headed.

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So you know bless me so I wasn’t as volatile but I wasn’t as depressive because I had struggled a little bit not clinically depressed but I struggled with those dark dark moods and that just doesn’t happen anymore,

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so I think so much of it is finding what works for your body so let me get something straight.

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Before your 50th birthday you decided you wanted to lose the weight and that was said and that was the end of it and the diet that got you there was actually a very low calorie low fat,

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diet yes and then after a while on that diet about a year on that diet two years two years in that diet oh my God you do have an Iron Will

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after two years in that diet you realize that you know what let’s try something else and that’s when you started incorporating a little bit of fat yes okay great and then more and more

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you know that’s something that a lot of people especially those people who go into veganism for instance they start experiencing and I had that as well I’m a recovering vegan I tell people so I did that.

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Foolish thing for a little bit and well for a long bit about two years as well

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and yeah gets to point at first you’re feeling great because you’re getting rid of the standard American diet you’re getting rid of a lot of processed foods one of the great things about

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vegan diet in these when it’s done correctly is that they do encourage Whole Foods right to your eating the vegetables you’re eating unprocessed you’re eating all those things and not the crap,

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vegan foods like those fake burgers and the fake everything that it’s just even worse process than regular deli meats so what starts happening is that you start feeling good

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because you’re getting rid of all those extra sugars and additives and process than what not but then it gets to a point where you lack that fat

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and our brains need that fat our nerves need that fat we need to create hormones we need to do all those things and it’s longer-lasting fuel so I had a similar I’m not going to say as much because I wouldn’t have lasted two years on low fat but I used to get

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You know like needed to be costly eating and it’s not a get hungry and angry and if not I wouldn’t be able to focus I was tired and it was just a matter of adding a little bit more fat.

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And that changed everything a lot of people who are vegan they start doing that and suddenly they start driving,

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and maybe you don’t want to eat those people listen maybe they’re vegan and they don’t want to eat animals that’s fine but still find ways to incorporate more fats you know coconuts and olive oils and olives and all those things I don’t think that the very low fat.

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For long periods of time is sustainable or healthy.

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Now I would say it’s not exactly and now I mean you’ve kept it off and you mentioned that you’re getting close to seven years now 7 years in October yeah wow and what is your current diet if there’s a diet,

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Follow a kind of moderate protein higher fat diet very low carb and it works well for me it keeps me very happy stable I don’t get hangry.

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I get hungry but it’s not like desperate hunger like it was on the low-fat thing I see so is it closer to ketogenic diet

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yes yes I focus on

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okay perfect I feel the best when following a ketogenic diet I feel the best when I’m actually in ketosis it’s not as simple as a lot of times people tend to think

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that it is to get into ketosis but once you get there I find it very sustainable now what is for instance a typical day of eating for you because a lot of people as that like yeah sure keto and they think it’s just stuffing your face with cheese and meat and bacon right so what is your typical day of eating

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it depends sometimes I have like I don’t drink coffee I don’t like coffee I like tea okay so I might have a fatty tea,

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if I know I’m going to be very busy in the morning I may add the egg into that of course it gets cooked.

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So I’ll have that or I’ll have you know maybe bacon and eggs lunch time I may have some leftovers from the day before.

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Or if I haven’t had eggs to know if I have eggs because that’s just the easiest thing you know midday and then I have a meal with my husband in the evening and that’s usually some keto recipe and maybe a steak.

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It may just be chuck roast that has been cooked slowly long with.

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Maybe a little onion and garlic and pepper tomatoes that sort of thing mushrooms or it may be just some recipe that I’ve found.

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Yeah I mean I try to eat within a window of.

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Fewer than 10 hours that’s the other thing that I give my body time to rest yeah so you’re also doing an intermittent fasting.

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Yeah but it’s not like heavy intermittent fasting no it’s not intense people think that it has to be super intense and you need to fast for like 20 hours a day but not really the thing is if you’re eating at a 10 hour window it means that you’re not eating for 14 hours like,

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right now ate all those hours you’re asleep yes so that’s another thing right now sometimes like if my husband’s away.

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Because my body clock is just kind of odd.

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I prefer eating breakfast and maybe a late lunch and then skipping the evening meal so I might make that a six hour feeding window or whatever but.

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I maintain to my clients do what works for your body make it work for you because that’s the only way it’s going to work.

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Exact I could not agree more with you and we were talking about that before we started recording about my chronotype now that I’m here and how I am able to start my day later and it is the same thing so for instance

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after I eat at around 2 or 3 p.m. before I come into the office because I was just sharing that while I’m in Spain I work from 4 p.m. until around midnight

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I don’t eat I mean I might have like I have some chocolate because instead of drinking caffeine I just have a little square of dark chocolate

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you know it’s almost 11 p.m. right now and that’s about it but other than that I had breakfast and I had lunch and then that’s it and just for clarification the fatty T that you talk about that’s pretty much kind of like the keto coffee right that you blend with butter yeah I tend to do the

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MCT oil okay.

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And then about half a tablespoon of butter and then some collagen in there okay good good good and then I just mix it with Mighty well that sounds a lot like the bulletproof diet.

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Well yeah it’s just that it’s not their product so it can’t really be able it perfect you know yes yes I’ve heard that before

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but in the end you know they’ve asked for who made it popular so now he has to live with that is like cleaning a Kleenex cannot complain that everyone calls tissues Kleenex even if they’re not as right so you know it’s really really surprising how many people.

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All across the board that we’re seeing.

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Have phenomenal results with this diet and I think that part of the reason is that you’re safe hated so it’s not about willpower and I’m not saying that the other diets don’t work I’m just saying that,

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in order for them to work you have to have that super strong will which many of us don’t have

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yeah I mean satiety is significant and if you’re not so hungry then you save yourself a whole lot of calories just like if you’re not eating for emotional reasons

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you’re not going to take in as many calories but you’re still satisfied

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exactly now tell me about that whole struggle with emotional eating because one thing is to find a diet that is satiating and that you can really you know stick to.

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If you still have those emotional triggers how do you cope with that you have to find another way to soothe yourself.

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And that’s the thing is that we are looking to food to soothe ourselves and it comes from birth.

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The thing is when a baby cries what do we do we put something in their mouth of course.

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Right it’s either the pacifying or the breast or a bottle but we put something in their mouths and it works they stop crying.

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And unfortunately.

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We traded out our pacifier for a donut and we keep putting something in our mouths to Sue this and it’s not like it’s hard to overcome that.

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Just have to get the hang of it.

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And that’s actually an acronym I teach my clients is getting the hang of it and the H is are you hungry and if you are you may need to eat but if you’re not.

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In the eighth is what’s the attraction to food for you and the N is what do you actually need.

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Because you may need a hug.

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We may need to have a little walk around the block or the office or whatever there’s something else that you need but it’s not food.

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And then the G is go get that because if you get that it will soothe you more than food ever could.

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So it’s figuring out okay how do I stop this very natural process of soothing myself.

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And replace it with something else that will actually work because if you put something in your mouth the Comfort last about as long as it takes to swallow,

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and then you want more so it’s finding what will actually soothe you in that moment that’s actually something that also happens for instance with smokers and it’s just a matter of the need to have something in their mouth right in order for them to kind of like feel,

00:23:41.614 –> 00:23:53.806
peace and suddenly they get anxious and I’ve seen this in offices now that they start getting anxious and because you cannot smoke and Norse thankfully they’ll just stick a cigarette in their mouth and they’re there with an unlit cigarette because it just

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suits them and we do the exact same thing with food you’re absolutely right that’s why a lot of people gain weight after they give up smoking

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because they’re still putting something in their mouth but they just choose food instead of the cigarette well I’d argue that’s healthier but still,

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it is some point yeah but that’s a difficult trade of right yes they know what about your husband does he follow the diet as well,

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well he doesn’t have that much of a problem so he follows pretty closely he’s probably just low carb more than Keto.

00:24:28.155 –> 00:24:37.935
He eats want to serve him well that’s easy then and then if you want something special then he’ll go get it

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differently but I’ve learned to make so many things that are compliant with keto like ice cream which he loves

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Pizza which he loves so it worked out for good yeah but I’ve also started adopting a you know my wife and I have been adopting a lot of different recipes whether it’s you know like an almond crust pizza or

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cauliflower and those things I do have to say since we moved away from the US

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a lot of those things are harder to come by so you can all go to Whole Foods here and get a cauliflower crust pizza and as a matter of fact we went the other day to supermarket and just one cauliflower was like 450 Euro I’m like,

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why did they go pick it up in California or what so it is shocking an avocado for his avocados here are like five euro a kilo.

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It’s just for those listening a kilo is 2 pounds so even in California you get them cheaper so then me coming from Mexico that’s just curly jizz you know you can probably get.

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Five or ten kilos for 5 Euros you need an avocado tree dude I know I know it’s just so difficult to get them to and they’re starting to grow them and down further south and some of them come from there

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but still they’re super expensive a lot of these things and a lot of other things are just simply not available like MCT oils and things like that they have to be imported or theirs

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not that much variety so sometimes it’s harder to follow it but then you also have

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on the other side of the coin you have great olive oils great olive oil well do you get avocado oil at all you do but it’s not I mean you don’t get a lot of like for cooking we use so just a little bit and then we use them

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you know a lot of olive oil is stressing and there’s a bunch of other things and some great fish a lot of sardines and a lot of those things around here so you know you,

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have to adapt don’t have exactly we miss a couple of things but we got some other so it’s a good trade-off and weep

00:26:32.063 –> 00:26:42.985
try not to spend a lot of time in the same place will probably be going back stateside in a couple of months so we just you know we adapt where we are and I think that’s easier now I wanted to ask you as well

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once you realize that this was something that worked is that when you decided also start working with people and coaching them through this or were you already doing coaching and some sort of form before that I was already counseling.

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But yes if you’ve struggled with this for a long time.

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It’s like finding gold in a field you’ve got to share it because so many people struggle with this and if we can unwind whatever it is that’s driving them to food.

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Then they can get free of it and their heart will heal.

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And how fantastic is that so I just sort of shifted my practice a little bit I mean because so much of it is emotional.

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My counseling degree does come in handy but it’s the starting point and it was true for the opposite sorry that I interrupt you but.

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I’ve seen that a lot of I mean you’re a family counselor marriage counselor and a lot of family especially marriage issues

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stem from weight and image disorders either one or both of the members of that couple right so I mean just helping them navigate through all of these is tremendously valuable I guess

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and for those who don’t have deep dark issues but just can’t seem to.

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Stay accountable and stay on the plan whatever plan they choose then that’s where the coaching comes in and so okay I can help you stay accountable for this period of time.

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And that works well and usually.

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You know we still find something that is some pain that is driving the behavior but that’s what we’ve got to find is what is driving you to food.

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Because if we can unwind that then you can be free yeah of course now in your experience,

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working with people trying to lose weight and especially people who have tried so many diets before and nothing seems to work what do you think are the most important challenges that keep getting in their way because

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I truly believe that we are the ones sabotaging ourselves and we don’t do this on purpose

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but what do you think are the most important self-sabotaging thanks that we do I think one thing is eating in front of the television because.

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That helps you eat mindlessly you don’t even notice that you’re eating really.

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And if you can bring it back to the table you can focus on the food or the company.

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And that makes you pay more attention to the food that you eat.

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Years ago I remember Oprah telling a story about going to France and she bought two croissants.

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Because she knew she would eat the first one really fast and she wanted the second one so she could enjoy it,

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and I thought how many calories could have saved by just enjoying the first one right so rather than sitting in front of the television to eat.

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Go back to the table.

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Put down a place mat or a table cloth lay your table in a nice fashion so that it is a pleasant place to eat even if you’re single it’s important to sit down if you really want that food that much.

00:29:46.224 –> 00:29:46.857

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The food the same honor that you’re giving your craving by sitting down putting it on a plate use Cutlery bring out the nice glasses whatever it is focus on eating the food.

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And if you are eating because you’re bored watching TV I’m thinking you need something else to do.

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Wow I couldn’t agree more with you this is something that I see how we’ve been given.

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Commoditizing the act of eating and it’s just something that we do because we have to

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or because we feel like we have to or like we must and we eat breakfast because it’s morning and we eat lunch because it’s afternoon and we eat dinner because it’s evening right and we’re not aware.

00:30:27.715 –> 00:30:37.746
That we’re eating or mindlessly eating I think back and even when I was single and I was eating alone or I was living alone sorry and you sit down for a meal.

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And it’s the same thing the first thing you think is okay what am I going to listen to her and you play a podcast or you play an audio book or you pull out a book where you watch TV and in reality is that we’re not really.

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Paying attention to the food and do his word it beautifully and saying pay the same respect.

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To the meal then you’re paying to your craving and a lot of times we don’t do that well most of the time we don’t do that we either on a pilot

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we don’t pay attention we don’t slow down enough to enjoy it and if you’re not going to slow down enough to enjoy the foods may as well be eating celery because you get the same result exactly yeah if you just want to chew that you might as well just do it with salary right.

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You’re not going to notice it anyway swallow exactly now.

00:31:27.238 –> 00:31:33.840
Obviously you know you’ve lost the weight you’re probably much happier with yourself now with the way you look and

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what other benefits have you seen across your life in general because one of the common things that I noticed people who lose weight that has been bugging them for many years whether it’s a little bit or a lot of weight

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is that they see benefits across the board in different areas of their life.

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So being able to be in control of these emotional eating all these cravings What other benefits have you seen in your life from that confidence was a big one.

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Because you know it was a 14-year battle.

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And it was kind of like if I can do that what else do I want to do also again the mood stabilization was amazing for me.

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Because I had very dark moods at times and not having to worry about that it also made me more positive.

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I was happier to go out and do things with friends whereas before I might hide a lot.

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I still have to catch myself to avoid trying to be invisible the thing I don’t know it’s okay this is all right we can be out in front it’s fine.

00:32:35.151 –> 00:32:37.720
Last year I actually did a tedx talk

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which was huge for me because I didn’t think I was a speaker but apparently I did pretty well that’s amazing what was the title of your talk

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lose the weight and keep it off overcome emotional eating

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okay great I’ll make sure link that here in the episode notes and done the description and everything for people to see that that’s huge because one of the things that we see a lot of times people struggle with when they have weight issues and

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you know image issues in general

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is that is that feeling that they want to become invisible and they avoid social situations and they avoid being out in the spotlight and they avoid doing all these things because they’re embarrassed or not,

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happy with themselves and suddenly you find that will that The Sire that,

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Dr to be out there and to really live your life right yes yeah enjoy the life that you have how can you make it even better.

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Wow that’s so great and is this something that you’ve also been seeing with your clients yeah as they lose the weight it’s almost like they wake up oh.

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I can wear that and it’s usually you know age appropriate but,

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they find such joy in getting into a different size or getting to what a lot of them called Wonderland.

00:33:50.995 –> 00:33:59.712
Getting under 200 pounds as huge vote for many of them and those who are it’s a broad spectrum of weights.

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But even if they are only 30.

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35 pounds overweight it’s I don’t want to say a weight has come off their shoulders because it’s all over their body but you can see them kind of straighten up.

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And look around and think,

00:34:15.436 –> 00:34:29.627
what else can I do yeah exactly I think it is Dad empowerment that suddenly realizing that you know what this is the one thing that I had been failing at for so many years but no I’ve got a grip on it I’ve handling it and I’m winning

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and as we work through the various issues driving the food Behavior that’s another element of getting their life back letting their heart heal,

00:34:38.185 –> 00:34:47.568
and that’s fantastic wow that’s so great now before we wrap this episode up and normally I ask all my guests to share,

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a couple of pieces of

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actionable advice and the key word here is actionable so it has to be something that the people listening to us right now as soon as they arrive home at the Finish listen to this episode weather there

00:34:58.512 –> 00:35:05.942
you know driving or listening at home maybe that they can sit down and start applying what would be your top two or three recommendations for them,

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in order to start you know regaining that control over their emotional eating one make a rule for yourself the way I got off sugar.

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Was to make a rule for myself I only have sugar on Sundays because I was a sugar fiend.

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And long about Wednesday I was standing in my pantry staring down the chocolate chip so I only have sugar on Sundays.

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But after about 10 days I didn’t have to do that anymore so if you make a rule for yourself and stick with it that can be really helpful for you it may be you know the kitchen is closed after dinner.

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They don’t go back in there that kind of thing one of my best tips is to set alarms on your phone.

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Now there are discussion you know I’m coming up on 57 so I’m a little old when it comes to technology and I didn’t know that you could change when you’re setting alarm on your phone you can change the word alarm to something else

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the label on it so what I did was I started setting alarms throughout the day.

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They were I changed the label to something that I needed to hear something I was trying to assimilate into my thinking or.

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Just something I needed.

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You’re emotionally to hear and they would go off throughout the day and you know these smartphones you actually have to look at them and turn them off yes.

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Even if you’re wearing a headset.

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It still makes noise if you’ve got it on silent it still makes noise when that alarm goes off so you are forced to look at that and read your labels.

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And that I tell you it changed my heart in many ways because I was kind of cynical and after two months of doing that.

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Looks like that okay change my thinking changed my life what are some examples of the phrases that you put there the one that goes off at 6 a.m.

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Is walk in light of the vision okay all right the one that goes off at five thirty nine in the evening is.

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He’ll heart give life.

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So just kind of keeps me focused on my mission in the world and there are various other ones throughout the day could be you know quote,

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or it could be you know don’t forget to love your husband kind of shake so Michael and note that kind of thing but it’s just

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stuff that helps me live my life better throughout the day except I find it very surprising how we have all this technology we have all these different tools available to us and yet we don’t

00:37:37.393 –> 00:37:50.323
find ways to use them as practically as something like this you know just a little reminder it doesn’t have to do with eating but you just said it if you want to increase the love in your marriage just add

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reminder saying you know what remembered was and it doesn’t sound sexy doesn’t sound romantic it doesn’t sound spontaneous and it doesn’t have to be

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it just has to you know it is something that’s important to you so you might as well put it there we have reminders for everything else we have reminders for the big

00:38:06.426 –> 00:38:15.818
football game we have reminders for the meanings that we have we have reminders for recall that we need to make why don’t we have reminders for things that are important in other areas of our life.

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Consistency is key and I tell you if I know Michael is thinking about me throughout the day at some point it just makes me all giddy.

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So it’s kind of work for him in the same way more masculine course but still mean it can only enrich our marriage exactly exactly and you know I think

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part of the reason there is that we tend to think that all those things like I said have to be romantic and spontaneous and whatnot and I learned that from my mentor he said you know what the most unsexy thing you can ever imagine but my wife and I we schedule our dates

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and we have a list of places where we want to go so that come Saturday instead of us just defaulting and going back to work we have a list of things that we want to do and we choose one from the list

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and that’s it we’re not spontaneous we’re not romantic and it works for us that’s fine yeah anything that,

00:39:06.390 –> 00:39:11.533
enriches your life if we don’t plan it sometimes it doesn’t happen yeah for sure

00:39:11.359 –> 00:39:28.889
for sure Serenity this has been a wonderful wonderful conversation and I want to acknowledge you for not only taking the time out of your schedule to be here and share with us your story and your tools and your strategies and what’s been working for you but also for having that strength,

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and the vulnerability to actually share your story and share your struggles and be open about them and help as many people you’re helping so thank you so much for doing that

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no of course got a share when you know right of course of course and.

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So people know you know you shared of what you’re doing how you help them where can people find out more about you.

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I have a website pack your own

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Is a book on Amazon called what’s really eating you and in fact if I could offer your listeners a gift of course.

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I’m sure they’re not going to say no to that.

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Pack your own / friends there’s actually a video from one of my DIY courses and it’s on gold setting.

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And getting to your best is called the compass.

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Yeah it was good thank you.

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Our Guest for this Episode:

Ketogenic Lifestyle

Renee Jones spent 40 years on the Diet Yo-Yo before she overcame her emotional eating to lose her weight and keep it off since 2012.

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